From: rogue@ccs.neu.edu (R Agent) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.christian Subject: Re: more anti-Christian material in Scientology Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:18:53 GMT Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University Lines: 200 Message-ID: <45pd0d$cbo@camelot.ccs.neu.edu> References: <451tkl$fdd@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu> <45ffkf$n4@crl4.crl.com> <45h911$11o@camelot.ccs.neu.edu> <45p1g0$f94@crl12.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: whitney.ccs.neu.edu In article <45p1g0$f94@crl12.crl.com>, Andrew Milne wrote: >R Agent (rogue@ccs.neu.edu) wrote: >: This is being cross-posted from alt.religion.scientology to >: alt.religion.christian, since it is clearly on-topic to both newsgroups. >: Christians, please let me know if I'm offbase, or if you find the >: references from Hubbard's writings offensive to you as Christians. > > The above poster has made several malicious attempts to create >division between Christians and Scientologists. The Church of Scientology >has many Christian friends and has worked with Christian ministers on >numerous occasions, including the actions taken a few years ago to get the >Religious Freedom Restoration Act signed into law. I'm sure that CoS has made many friends in Christendom. They would have a lot less friends if those people were told about Hubbard's secret teachings about Christ and Heaven. He variously calls Christ an "implant" (false memory hypnotically given to us by space aliens) and "just a shade above clear" (which Scientology says thousands of its members have acheived) and Heaven a "false dream" (see below). Christians, does this sound like a religion you want to associate with? > Scientology is a vast subject. The written materials of Dianetics >and Scientology comprise more than 5,000 writings, including 18 volumes >of technical writings and 12 volumes of administrative works. In >addition, Mr. Hubbard gave more than 3,000 lectures which are recorded >on tape. And among those 5000 writings are a number of teachings that are patently offensive to Christians. You never once deny this. All of the quotes I gave are completely accurate and speak for themselves. Hubbard tells followers to visualize themselves nailed to a black cross, and even visualize a baby nailed to a cross. He calls Christianity a religion that makes people into "victims" (see below). Christians, does this offend you? > Not surprisingly, throughout that enormous reservoir of information >are scattered references to the great religious leaders of the past, >including Jesus Christ. In the Phoenix Lectures, given in the early 1950s, >he discussed the religious tradition behind Scientology. And in the June >3, 1955 lecture, "The Hope of Man", he said of the religious leaders of >the past: > > "I would like to honor the great spiritual leaders of the past -- >not of modern times, but of the past -- since these people handed along >enough tradition to make us aware of the fact that there was a spiritual >side to man. These great spiritual leaders have been hanged, reviled, >misinterpreted, badly quoted, have not been at all comprehended. But, >nevertheless, they are the hands through which a torch has been handed >forward through the centuries so that we could culminate with a greater >ability for man and some hope for his future...." > > "And one of the people who handed it on was a man named Moses. And >again it was handed on to a man named Christ. And he handed it on, and >even the Arab nations benefited from this through their own prophet, >Mohammed. > > "And these men I consider great spiritual leaders, because they >gave to men on down through the years the hope that life could go on, >that there was a spiritual side to existence, that the business of >barter and gain was not all there was to life." This is the outer teaching, suitable for exposure to the public. But Hubbard's secret, inner teachings tell a different story. (see below). > Obviously no individual holds to the beliefs of another's religion >to the degree that he holds to his own. If he did, he would be a member >of that other religion. But to try to exploit these differences of >belief to create division between religions is a sordid tactic. What is >important is to grant to another the right to hold to his chosen >beliefs, even though they may differ from yours. That is the essence of >what is meant by religious freedom. You are allowed to believe anything you want about Christ. Muslims' beliefs about Christ are very different than Christians'; they admit this up front. You howver, lie and tell Christians that Scientology and Christianity are compatible. I am exposing that lie. I won't sit still while you try to whitewash over the parts of Scientology doctrine that embarrass you in front of your Christian friends. > The Creed of the Church of Scientology holds that all men have the >right to their own religious practices. Scientologists practice the >Creed in their lives: they respect the beliefs of others and they do not >criticize or try to degrade other people's religions. Scientology's founder repeatedly degraded other religions. Proof of this is posted just a few lines below. > If you want more information about the religious background to >Scientology, you will find it in the book What Is Scientology, available >in churches of Scientology, in libraries and in bookstores. For the rest of the story, read these quotes from Scientology doctrine. Please note that Milne -never once- denied that these are wholely and completely accurate quotes. Every last one of them: Professional Auditor's Bulletin No. 31 of 23rd July 1954 on "DUPLICATION": "You may have to waste ghosts and spirits before pc is willing to be a thetan. Religion does much to keep the assumption in restimulation, being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the pc into a body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an implant in pc's a million years ago. TECHNIQUE: Have the pc handle crosses and black crosses. Mock up a cross, mock up his body and nail it on the cross. Then turn the cross into a man's body, into a black body, into a baby's body. Mock up a body standing with arms outstretched, mock up another body nailed to the first one etc. Anyone got toothache? This is the assumption operation--between lives stuff." Class 8 Course, Lecture #10, 3 Oct, 1968: "Somebody on this pkanet, about 600 B.C. found some pieces of 'R6'. I don't know how they found it; either by watching madmen or something. But since that time they have used it. And it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the cross. There was no Christ! The Roman Catholic Church, through watching the dramatizations of people picked up some little fragments of R6." _Certainty_ magazine, Vol 5 #10: "Two and a half thousand years ago a handful of clears civilized half a billion people. What if we were all clear. Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the evidence. They were just a shade above clear." HCOB 18 July, 1959: "The whole Christian movement is based on the victim. Compulsion of the overt-motivator sequence. They won by appealing to victims. We can win by converting victims. Christianity succeeded by making people into victims. We can succeed by making victims into people." HCOB 21 Jan, 1960: "Some Churches used a mechanism of confession. This was a limited effort to relieve a person of the pressure of his overt acts. Later the mechanism of confession was employed as a kind of blackmail by which increased contribution could be obtained from the person confessing." HCOB 11 May, 1963: "Based on over a thousand hours of research auditing, analyzing the facsimiles of the reactive mind, and with the help of a Mark V Electrometer. It is scientific research and is not in any way based upon the mere opinion of the researcher...The contents of this HCO bulletin discover the apparent underlying impulses of religious zealotism and the source of the religious mania which terrorized Earth over the ages and has given religion the appearance of insanity." "For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants - if a bit more so. The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed." "The gates of the first series are well done, well built. An avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The gate pillars are surmounted by marble angels. The entering grounds are very well kept, laid out like Bush Gardens in Pasadena, so often seen in the movies. Aside from the implant boxes which lie across from each other on the walk there are other noises and sounds as though the saints are defending and berating." "The second series, probably in the same place, shows what a trillion years of overt acts does (or is an additional trick to collapse one's time). The place is shabby. The vegetation is gone. The pillars are scruffy. The saints have vanished. So have the angels. A sign on one (the left as you enter) says `This is Heaven'. The right has a sign "Hell" with an arrow and inside the grounds one can see the excavations like archaeological diggings with the raw terraces, that lead to "Hell". Plain wire fencing encloses the place. There is a sentry box beside and outside the right pillar. The roadway `leading up' to the gates is deeply eroded. An effigy of Joseph, complete with desert clothing is seen approaching the gates (but not moving) leading a donkey which `carries' the original Madonna and child from `Bethlehem'. The implanting boxes lie on either side of this `entering' path at path level." "Further, we have our hands on an appalling bit of technology where the world is concerned. With rapidity and a Meter it can be shown that Heaven is a false dream and that the old religion was based on very painful lie, cynical betrayal." 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